Their difficulty will be if some previous knowledge of his behaviour comes to light and is publicised. Or if something can be found on an internal WTBTS computer network he had access to.
Joe Grundy
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Latest News In JW Sex Scandal
by Kenneson init's the top news at http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_178173758.html .
see "boy in minister sex scandal speaks to cbs.
investigators compiling mountain of evidence against suspect.
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She's Back! With a question about guns & JWs
by asleif_dufansdottir inhey, guys.... looooooong time no see.
some of you might remember me but it's been a very long time.
still in grad school, and have a new (sort of) hobby.. i've always liked guns.
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Joe Grundy
I was a British cop for 30 years. Never owned or carried a firearm. Faced a couple in my time.
Had a go with a few, including in the US. Didn't do a great deal for me, I'm afraid.
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Latest News In JW Sex Scandal
by Kenneson init's the top news at http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_178173758.html .
see "boy in minister sex scandal speaks to cbs.
investigators compiling mountain of evidence against suspect.
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Joe Grundy
OK, I have thought of another route for this.
I will call a guy I know (I recruited him and used to be his boss) tomorrow (it's 10 p.m. here now). He has worked on computer crime cases (UK) with the FBI and still has contacts afaik.
I'll put together whatever I can from the site and the links and ask him to speak to his contacts to give them the full picture and suggest possible lines of enquiry.
Not much more I can do, I'm afraid. Now I'm retired I don't have the contacts I once did.
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Show us your picture
by Honesty in.
that is, if you are able to without the prospect of facing a three-man kangaroo court appointed by jerhover to keep the congregation clean from apostate influences.. i'll go first: .
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Joe Grundy
Mine is my avatar. I have nothing to hide from anyone (but as a not is and never was I have less to fear than many here. Hugs and support to all who do.)
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Latest News In JW Sex Scandal
by Kenneson init's the top news at http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_178173758.html .
see "boy in minister sex scandal speaks to cbs.
investigators compiling mountain of evidence against suspect.
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Joe Grundy
Scully
Thanks for that.
The reason I ask is that if anyone can give me a 'reasonable' reason, I'll call my friend in the US and ask - or beg - if necessary that he calls in favours and makes sure things are done right.
This would be a 'one-time' thing and would probably mean my calling in favours and the end of the friendship - but for this purpose I'd be happy to do it.
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Latest News In JW Sex Scandal
by Kenneson init's the top news at http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_178173758.html .
see "boy in minister sex scandal speaks to cbs.
investigators compiling mountain of evidence against suspect.
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Joe Grundy
'Monitoring' is not the issue here.
Would this guy have had access to a 'Bethel' network?
If so, the whole network is open to examination.
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Latest News In JW Sex Scandal
by Kenneson init's the top news at http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_178173758.html .
see "boy in minister sex scandal speaks to cbs.
investigators compiling mountain of evidence against suspect.
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Joe Grundy
I ask because I have a friend who is a recently-retired FBI agent, who MAY have the contacts to query these things. That's all.
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Latest News In JW Sex Scandal
by Kenneson init's the top news at http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_178173758.html .
see "boy in minister sex scandal speaks to cbs.
investigators compiling mountain of evidence against suspect.
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Joe Grundy
Sorry to repeat my previous questions, but I think they're important.
Would he have had access to a congregation PC?
Does Bethel have a PC network, and would he have had access to it?
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Guess where this is...
by slimboyfat inthe game yesterday was fun.
here is my picture - can anyone guess where it is?
see below...
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Joe Grundy
Sarajevo?
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Judicial Committees and the 'Two Witnesses' Rule
by Joe Grundy ini'm not and never have been, etc.. i was not even aware jcs existed until a couple of months ago - but now i understand a lot more from the postings i have read (and i find some them tragic).. two thoughts struck me as an outsider.. the first is to agree with the advice/suggestions given by many posters that submission to the jc process is a voluntary thing.
in the real world any court or tribunal can only act or consider issues if it has 'competent jurisdiction', laid down by law.
a jc only has 'competent jurisdiction' over a jw if the jw consents to that jurisdiction.
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Joe Grundy
I'm not and never have been, etc.
I was not even aware JCs existed until a couple of months ago - but now I understand a lot more from the postings I have read (and I find some them tragic).
Two thoughts struck me as an outsider.
The first is to agree with the advice/suggestions given by many posters that submission to the JC process is a voluntary thing. In the real world any court or tribunal can only act or consider issues if it has 'competent jurisdiction', laid down by law. A JC only has 'competent jurisdiction' over a JW if the JW consents to that jurisdiction. A simplistic view, I know, and I (now) understand the personal and familial consequences and sanctions that can be brought to bear on the JW. I don't minimise these and I appreciate that never have suffered them I can only 'understand' them in theory.
My second thought is this. The JWs are a very rule-led organisation and it seems to me that WTBTS has tried to cover every eventuality and lay down directions for it in their various manuals, etc. (Strikes me as an effort to gain complete control and eliminate any independence or avenue for personal conscience led decisions). Given that that's the case, then elders conducting a JC are theoretically strictly bound by the rules and procedures. If they fail to adhere to WTBTS rules, they are themselves liable to be reported to a 'superior' authority and to be sanctioned for failing to follow the rules.
BUT - for the JC members to be investigated/disciplined, there would have to be (by their own rules) two witnesses as to their conduct. The 'victim/defendant' JW would be one, but who would be the other? Would it be possible for the 'victim/defendant' to insist on having a 'friend' present so that if he/needed to initiate action against the JC he/she would have the requisite second witness?
Just a thought.